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[03:37]<PCdoc> !seen jacky
[03:38]<+camerongray> Hey BC_Programming
[03:38]<@BC_Programming> hey camerongray
[03:57]<@BC_Programming> whew that was exciting, what a whirlwind of salutations
[04:01]<+camerongray> lol
[04:26]<PCdoc> camerongray: building another corei5
[04:27]<+camerongray> Cool, what else are you putting in it?
[04:27]<PCdoc> This time it's just for official use, the client requires corei5 for corel draw etc
[04:28]<PCdoc> Core i5 3330, 61WW Intel mothrboard
[04:28]<PCdoc> 500GB HDD, 8GB RAM
[04:29]<PCdoc> 4th gen was expensive and was not fitting his budget
[04:32]<+camerongray> You really are obsessed with Intel boards :P
[04:33]<@BC_Programming> some random girl called the Juan de fuca Strait the "Want to f**ka" strait... talk about a freudian slip
[04:34]<+camerongray> PCdoc: Seriously - Price up with an ASUS or Gigabyte board - usually cheaper and much better!
[04:35]<@BC_Programming> Intel motherboard, lol
[04:35]<+camerongray> PCdoc: Oh wow, don't get that board!
[04:35]<+camerongray> Just looked it up
[04:35]<+camerongray> No digital video output (Just VGA)
[04:35]<+camerongray> Some electrolytic capacitors
[04:36]<+camerongray> Ancient chipset designed for Sandy Bridge
[04:36]<@BC_Programming> they still make boards with VGA output?
[04:36]<PCdoc> Which one do you suggest?
[04:37]<+camerongray> Look up ones from Gigabyte or ASIS
[04:37]<+camerongray> ASUS*
[04:37]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: probably stock still in India :P
[04:37]<+camerongray> They still make them (Mine has VGA and it's a top end Gigabyte) but it also has DVI, HDMI and Displayport
[04:38]<@BC_Programming> I meant, exclusively
[04:38]<+camerongray> Ahh
[04:38]<+camerongray> PCdoc: H77, Z77 or B75 Chipset
[04:38]<PCdoc> What's the use if he's anyway gonna add a graphics card in the futurre?
[04:38]<+camerongray> Because it shows how basic the board is
[04:38]<+camerongray> I mean, look at it
[04:38]<+camerongray> Doesn't have USB 3, doesn't have SATA III
[04:39]<+camerongray> I use board with more features with Celerons!
[04:41]<+camerongray> Intel board really aren't that good - They are leaving the motherboard market anyway
[04:41]<+camerongray> PCdoc: And what PSU?
[04:42]<PCdoc> camerongray: .. !!
[04:42]<+camerongray> ?
[04:42]<PCdoc> you gonna kill me now
[04:42]<+camerongray> That "Circle" POS?
[04:42]<PCdoc> His budget is very limited. not a penny can he spend now
[04:43]<+camerongray> So you just ignore everything we say?
[04:43]<+camerongray> have fun down the line when it all fails
[04:43]<@BC_Programming> maybe he wants that to happen!
[04:43]<PCdoc> no, I don't ignore
[04:43]<+camerongray> But you fit crap PSUs?
[04:44]<PCdoc> But I am like the customer says I wan't "this" one or at this cost. I have to do that.
[04:44]<@BC_Programming> a Crap PSU doesn't save money, it will end up costing more. They tend to fail and when cheap PSU's fail they usually take something else with them
[04:44]<+camerongray> You don't have to at all
[04:44]<PCdoc> Other brands like cooler master are expensive
[04:44]<@BC_Programming> may as well tell them to get a manufactured PC
[04:45]<PCdoc> BC_Programming: manufactured PC is expensive that assembled
[04:45]<PCdoc> that too they are going for 23" LED monitor
[04:45]<PCdoc> they wanted 27" but that does not fit there
[04:45]<PCdoc> the client's client is a Japanese
[04:46]<@BC_Programming> Basically, they asked for the impossible, you said "OK" and then just decided that you could make it possible by using garbage components, ok
[04:46]<+camerongray> Lets see here, my granny is in her late 70s, uses her PC for web browsing and email, lets guess what PSU she has
[04:46]<+camerongray> Corsair CX430
[04:47]<+camerongray> Why? So her PC lasts a long time!
[04:48]<+camerongray> PCdoc: They are expensive for a reason?
[04:51]<PCdoc> The supplier has B75M-D3H
[04:51]<PCdoc> Gigabyte
[04:51]<+camerongray> That would be much better
[04:51]<+camerongray> But get a real PSU as well!
[04:51]<+camerongray> Sure it costs more, but I'm sure the client would rather their PC didn't blow up!
[04:56]<+camerongray> When I build a PC - I don;t even look at the cheaper PSUs or tell the client about them!
[05:13]<Jamer> For a build ill be doing the psu i want is 80-90 dollars.. Thats not even covering the motherboard
[05:15]<Jamer> Im not going with a cheap psu... I dont want to fry a 185 dollar motherboard.. And yes i found a little room for that Camerongray XD
[05:15]<+camerongray> Nice!
[05:16]<+camerongray> Getting a good PSU up front makes complete sense - Unless it breaks you'll never really need a new one!
[05:16]<Jamer> 750 watt psu
[05:16]<+camerongray> Hmm, that's probably way more than you need
[05:16]<Jamer> Yeah but the dual 8 pin kills me
[05:17]<PCdoc> There's a psu by cooler master - 400W which is cheapest in the brand
[05:17]<+camerongray> Jamer: Dual 8 pin?
[05:18]<+camerongray> PCdoc: And you don't see a problem with "Cheapest in the brand"
[05:19]<+camerongray> PCdoc: Would you consider buying an unbraded generic motherboard instead of a Gigabyte/Intel one? Would you buy an unbranded hard drive?
[05:19]<+camerongray> PCdoc: And if not, why not?
[05:20]<PCdoc> Becuase there is no warranty and it may die sooner
[05:21]<+camerongray> *slow clap* Well done!
[05:22]<+camerongray> So why buy an unbranded generic PSU instead of one from a well known brand?
[05:22]<+camerongray> The PSU is just as important as the motherboard
[05:22]<PCdoc> It's not 'Unbranded'
[05:23]<+camerongray> It pretty much is - It's a cheap generic unit some company has stuck a sticker on
[05:23]<PCdoc> 3yrs waranty
[05:23]<+camerongray> And that warranty covers all the parts that the PSU kills as well?
[05:24]<+camerongray> Motherboard fails - That's all that breaks, PSU fails - It can take out the entire machine!
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[06:01]<baconbuttie> lol, "Oh, hey baconbuttie, how long will you stay today?" cute :D
[06:01]<baconbuttie> camerongray: you there ?
[06:05]<+camerongray> Yep
[06:05]<baconbuttie> cool, do you play minecraft ?
[06:06]<+camerongray> Yep :P
[06:07]<+camerongray> Only sort of game I can play - Crap reaction times for anything else
[06:07]<baconbuttie> good, my son has been playing for a while and wants to have a go at setting up his own server, do you know of any good tutorials on how to do it ?
[06:08]<baconbuttie> networks and servers....i aint that clever on :P
[06:08]<+camerongray> Hmm, I've not done that but BC_Programming certainly has (We have a GlitchPC server)
[06:08]<+camerongray> And Tux2 when he's on runs a MC hosting company :P
[06:09]<baconbuttie> right, maybe pick their brains when they are around
[06:09]<+camerongray> Yeah
[06:10]<+camerongray> In the most basic setup you would just run the server .exe file (Or .jar on Linux) and it should just work
[06:10]<baconbuttie> not a gamer myself, so my interest level is about 0
[06:10]<+camerongray> Need to forward the port through your router though if you want people to connect externally
[06:10]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[06:10]<+camerongray> I play minecraft but that's it
[06:11]<baconbuttie> ok, cheers, i will have a troll around google see what i can find, maybe get some tips from BC and Tux later
[06:13]<+camerongray> Cool
[06:13]<baconbuttie> thanks
[06:13]<+camerongray> np
[06:13]<baconbuttie> catch ya later
[06:14]<+camerongray> cya
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[07:39]<PCdoc> camerongray: :-o :-o :-o :-o
[07:51]<@BC_Programming> ?
[07:55]<PCdoc> lol nothing
[08:26]<+camerongray> ?
[08:26]<+camerongray> You still haven't answered my PSU thing :P
[08:28]<PCdoc> There are some things I really don't have any answer to
[08:30]<+camerongray> Exactly, because you are being illogical
[08:32]<+camerongray> You were so determined to get an Intel board because of "quality" but throw in possibly one of the lowest quality PSUs on the market
[08:34]<+camerongray> That "quality" motherboard won't stand up to a failing PSU blowing it!
[08:34]<PCdoc> No I changed it to the gigabyte one
[08:34]<+camerongray> I mean, If budget is tight I spend money on the decent PSU but get something like a Biostar board!
[08:34]<PCdoc> is Biostar good ?
[08:34]<+camerongray> For a budget yeah, better than MSI
[08:34]<@BC_Programming> PSU runs all components, bad PSU can cause all sorts of problems
[08:35]<PCdoc> I thought it's equivallent to unbranded
[08:35]<+camerongray> That's not the point, if you are concerned with quality, don't ad the crappiest PSU on the market
[08:35]<+camerongray> add*
[08:35]<+camerongray> At best a PSU just stops working, but it has the potential to fry components or even cause fire
[08:35]<@BC_Programming> Good PSU fails safely. Bad PSU will take things with it
[08:36]<+camerongray> Exactly!
[08:36]<@BC_Programming> bad=Cheap
[08:36]<@BC_Programming> Worse still is that the issues the system may have could easily be thought to be something else
[08:37]<+camerongray> Forget "Circle" being a brand - They look no different to "CiT" in the UK who just rebrand the cheap crappy stuff
[08:37]<@BC_Programming> a Cheap PSU can cause symptoms exactly the same as a failing motherboard, or a failing graphics card, etc.
[08:37]<+camerongray> Yep!
[08:37]<PCdoc> Actually, it's from you I came to know that circle is not good. Here in our city, it is considered one the best. Not equal to cooler master or corsair, but just one step below them
[08:37]<@BC_Programming> lol
[08:37]<+camerongray> In fact, that "Circle" PSU looks almost identical to the "CiT" ones here, and boy do they blow up
[08:38]<@BC_Programming> If it's just one step below, why is it half the price
[08:38]<PCdoc> never heard of
[08:38]<+camerongray> Exactly - "CiT" is crap rebadged stuff in the UK!
[08:38]<+camerongray> Just like "Circle" is in India - I'd never heard of it before you
[08:39]<+camerongray> Of course people use cheap PSUs - Increases profit margins, but it's not something I'd ever do
[08:39]<@BC_Programming> Probably a cheap unbranded PSU, they make those by the dozen in Asia. A cheap-rebrander like CiT or Circle will come along and buy them bulk, stick their sticker on and sell them, but that sticker won't make them less crap
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[08:39]<+camerongray> Hell, CiT brand their PSUs based on colour - "CiT Gold" when all you get is a garish gold casing
[08:40]<@BC_Programming> lol
[08:40]<+camerongray> PCdoc: And didn't you mention he was adding a graphics card in the future?
[08:40]<+camerongray> That will really need a good PSU
[08:40]<@BC_Programming> unbranded is lucky to get 200 watts
[08:41]<+camerongray> Yep, that's the same figure I was thinking
[08:41]<+camerongray> And a good video card can pull that alone!
[08:42]<PCdoc> yes, I used the asus power supply calculator it says I will require minimum 500w
[08:42]<+camerongray> My machine with its 560ti and 3770k easily hits 300w from the wall in something like Kerbal Space Program
[08:42]<@BC_Programming> and then, hello strange problems, BSODs or Kernel Panics, Application Crashes, Hard Disk issues, or random reboots
[08:43]<+camerongray> PCdoc: And you're lucky if that Circle PSU comes close to 500w!
[08:43]<PCdoc> wow
[08:43]<@BC_Programming> "oh, the RAM is bad, we'll just replace that..." etc.
[08:43]<+camerongray> They say "500w" on them, no way it will actually provide that stable
[08:43]<+pottsi> can xen do live migration?
[08:43]<+camerongray> pottsi: No idea :P
[08:43]<+camerongray> I use KVM/OpenVZ :P
[08:43]<PCdoc> wow! I am getting a bit kinda afraid now :(
[08:44]<+camerongray> Exactly, it's a junk PSU!
[08:44]<+camerongray> Have you ever actually held a good quality PSU?
[08:44]<+pottsi> meh openvz never worked properly for me
[08:44]<@BC_Programming> according to this xen can do live migration
[08:44]<@BC_Programming> http://sysadmin.wikia.com/wiki/Live_migration_xen
[08:44]<@BC_Programming> but I cheated and just googled it
[08:45]<+camerongray> Massive weight difference! They don't just fill the quality ones with lead to make them heavy, they physically contain heavier parts
[08:45]<+camerongray> My 650w Corsair is actually uncomfortable to hold for any long time and is difficult to move into place due to its weight
[08:47]<+camerongray> Cheap PSUs weigh nothing in comparison!
[08:51]<+camerongray> PCdoc: Stop hiding from questions! :P
[08:55]<PCdoc> ok, well, I am now gonna take a bigger hideout :P as its 9:24pm. Very cold weather here and I have to close and go home ...
[08:55]<PCdoc> ahem ahem
[08:59]<PCdoc> cya laters!
[09:00]<PCdoc> And thanks camerongray :)
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[09:00]<+pottsi> you broke his dreams camerongray
[09:00]<+pottsi> bastard :D
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> I wanted to do that
[09:09]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:09]<+camerongray> Can't understand simple advice
[09:11]<+camerongray> That was some of the wost logic I've seen!
[09:11]<+camerongray> worst*
[09:20]<+camerongray> "Cheap motherboards/PSUs fail and don't have warranties, but I'll use a cheap PSU"
[09:21]<+camerongray> I mean, I wouldn't be that bothered if it wasn't him utterly disregarding our advice
[09:21]<+camerongray> We tell him before not to use Intel boards, yet he does it again with one of the most basic boards I've ever seen!
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[12:21]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[12:21]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[12:22]<+camerongray> Amusingly our letting agents are now wanting to do an inspection :P
[12:22]<@Calum> hah
[12:22]<+camerongray> They may mean to inspect the mould that I emailed them about but gives an incentive to clean
[12:23]<@Calum> heh true
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[12:23]<@Calum> oh so I just got emailed this in a newsletter from an Ebay seller
[12:23]<@Calum> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-C6100-4-Node-8x-Xeon-Quad-Core-2-26GHz-144GB-DDR3-PowerEdge-Rack-Server-VTd-/141108847305?emailtemplateid=66658007&ssPageName=ADME:B:SEMK:UK:LISTG&sellerid=eJGfcJBwsRKOx53K3gUBCQ==&refid=store&buyerid=zTpVD1PmK5K47IRVI0CpaQ==&category=11211
[12:23]<wonderwoman> Am sorry cameron!
[12:23]<@Calum> holy mother of links that's huge
[12:23]<+camerongray> lol!
[12:23]<+camerongray> WANT!
[12:23]<@Calum> ;)
[12:23]<wonderwoman> I didn't mean to tell them.... they forced me to tell them
[12:24]<+camerongray> haha!
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> Tell who what
[12:24]<+camerongray> At least we got them out now
[12:24]<wonderwoman> Flat inspectorrrss
[12:24]<+camerongray> I've been emailing to chase them up about the mould, every time I have ended up adding another issue into the list
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> ruthless
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> they run the world governments I hear
[12:24]<@BC_Programming> Flat Inspectors guild
[12:25]<+camerongray> Mould in shower, 70% humidity, TV aerial broken
[12:25]<wonderwoman> shit furniture?
[12:25]<+camerongray> So now it's time to clean, reassemble the furnature and un-jam-open the "fire doors"
[12:25]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[12:26]<@Calum> fun times
[12:26]<+camerongray> Well, the table we didn't want
[12:26]<+camerongray> And the plastic rocking chairs we hid on a shelf in the cupboard (Yes, as safe as it sounds)
[12:26]<wonderwoman> lol
[12:27]<+camerongray> Which despite being like 1m^2 it's classed as a room and as such contains a mains operated smoke detector
[12:27]<@Calum> wow
[12:27]<wonderwoman> wtf?
[12:27]<+camerongray> Yeah - Regulations
[12:27]<wonderwoman> bloody regulations!
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> It's how they control us
[12:28]<wonderwoman> I guess
[12:28]<@BC_Programming> Flat regulators 1984
[12:28]<+camerongray> haah
[12:29]<+camerongray> The cupboard also contains piles of bathroom tiles (no idea why)
[12:29]<@BC_Programming> They'll see the mould and insist on a minute of hate
[12:29]<+camerongray> And handles, lots of handles, mop handles, spade handles, the hadle from a hammer - But never anything that goes onto the handle
[12:29]<wonderwoman> I hate mould...
[12:30]<wonderwoman> Haha, me and my old flat mate made a spear out of a broom handle
[12:30]<+camerongray> Oh, and toilet roll after "The great Costco toilet roll incident of 2013"
[12:30]<wonderwoman> a broken knife and a broom handle
[12:30]<+camerongray> lol!
[12:30]<wonderwoman> cool spear
[12:30]<wonderwoman> spere*
[12:30]<wonderwoman> or however you spell it
[12:30]<wonderwoman> i dunno
[12:30]<+camerongray> I suggested to my flatmate that we got toilet roll in bulk from Costco to save money - His mum bought some, my mum also bought some - 80 rolls of toilet paper!
[12:30]<wonderwoman> I never got in troube for it though
[12:31]<wonderwoman> Omg!
[12:31]<wonderwoman> my friends just bought 135 toilet rolls :O
[12:31]<+camerongray> haah
[12:31]<wonderwoman> for 31.99
[12:31]<+camerongray> IT does save money
[12:31]<+camerongray> 4 pack of Velvet for £1 each
[12:31]<wonderwoman> it does if you have big bums...
[12:31]<wonderwoman> that need cleaning.
[12:31]<+camerongray> haha
[12:31]<@Calum> I only buy the finest toilet roll
[12:32]<@Calum> can't risk a strike through#
[12:32]<wonderwoman> lol
[12:32]<+camerongray> haha
[12:32]<+camerongray> My flatmates are like that - Hence the Velvet
[12:32]<@Calum> got to be Andrex with the quilted thing
[12:32]<+camerongray> "Oh no, we can't get that Costco own brand stuff"
[12:32]<wonderwoman> Calums worse.
[12:32]<wonderwoman> only andrex
[12:33]<wonderwoman> it's so expensive for wiping your but
[12:33]<@Calum> well, you can use some recycled stuff then and save the premium for me
[12:33]<wonderwoman> Bit of poo on your hands doesn't kill anyone
[12:33]<+camerongray> lol
[12:34]<@BC_Programming> calum you sure can pick em
[12:34]<+camerongray> Don't want this turning into the argument my friend had with his flatmate in the lab
[12:34]<@Calum> I know right, classy lady huh
[12:34]<wonderwoman> lol
[12:34]<wonderwoman> I am soooo clarrssy
[12:34]<+camerongray> Involving the fact that their "U-bend is too narrow"
[12:34]<@Calum> hah
[12:34]<wonderwoman> lol
[12:38]<@BC_Programming> oh yeah turns out my MVP Award card doesn't get me discounts
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[12:39]<@Calum> that sucks
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> I mean I get free software but why do I have to pay the same for standard groceries as the common rabble?
[12:40]<@Calum> lol
[12:53]<+camerongray> lol
[12:53]<+camerongray> I get student discounts but always forget!
[12:53]<Jamer> Hey calum
[12:53]<@Calum> hey Jamer
[12:54]<Jamer> I know why the two 5640s dont work together... They need a special chipset
[12:55]<@Calum> I have the right chipset, that's what I was going to use them for...works fine with two 5520s and two 5639s, I suspect a QPI link on one of the chips is faulty
[12:56]<Jamer> Hm you may be right then
[12:56]<+camerongray> Oh Calum, it's all broken, worthless even, I'll take it all off you
[12:56]<@Calum> lol
[12:56]<@Calum> both the L5640s are pretty much going spare, can't really sell them when one or both has a dead QPI link
[12:57]<@Calum> the guy I bought the board off threw them in free as he said he "may" have overvolted the QPI by accident, n00b overclocker
[12:57]<@Calum> but the chips work fine individually
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[12:58]<Jamer> Thats fine :p ill take one then
[12:58]<@Calum> sure thing
[12:59]<Jamer> I thibk Camerongray wabts the other XD
[12:59]<+camerongray> lol - No board for it :P
[12:59]<@Calum> heh, welcome to it if you want it cameron?
[12:59]<@Calum> yeah that's what held me back from using them both for systems
[12:59]<@Calum> cheap X58 boards seem to be nonexistent any more, which is annoying...not so long ago you could pick up a cheap new/refurb one for like £40
[13:00]<@Calum> Foxconn Bloodrage, not fantastic but it was a cheap fix
[13:00]<@Calum> nowadays not so much, and even used ones aren't that cheap here
[13:00]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:00]<@Calum> I have 4 spare 1366 chips I could use if boards were only reasonable lol
[13:00]<Jamer> Ive got more money for a budget but ill be selling a laptop
[13:01]<+camerongray> lol, what chips?
[13:01]<@Calum> two of the l5640s which are 32nm hex cores, and two l5520s which are 45nm quads
[13:01]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:02]<+camerongray> But the L5640s don't work together?
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[13:02]<@Calum> the l5640s are the slightly faulty ones I got free with the SR-2, the L5520s are what I bought as a temporary fix to get the system up and running but then got two L5639s quite cheap instead
[13:02]<@Calum> yeah they work individually but not together
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[13:02]<@Calum> I haven't tested them with the l5639s to see which has the bad link, can't test them with the l5520s as they're different gens
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[13:03]<+camerongray> I feel like I could use them for something :P
[13:03]<+camerongray> But I imagine they are slower than my 3770k individually
[13:04]<@Calum> yeah they will be
[13:04]<+camerongray> Any more hardware you are getting rid of? :P
[13:04]<@Calum> but not particularly slow
[13:04]<@Calum> hah, I have a few raphics cards
[13:04]<+camerongray> Replace my PC at work :P
[13:04]<@Calum> *graphics cards even
[13:06]<+camerongray> Hmm
[13:06]<+camerongray> I feel the need to have another semi-decent machine :P
[13:07]<Jamer> Calum geforce or amd?
[13:07]<@Calum> 1366 processors are still pretty relevant today, in all honesty a decent first gen i7 is still capable of everything a Haswell is
[13:07]<+camerongray> Yeah, I loved my i7 920
[13:07]<+camerongray> Just that I have something better nowadays
[13:07]<@Calum> yeah exactly, just saying they're still not slow by any means, power hungry maybe
[13:08]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:08]<@Calum> Jamer: none of them are particularly ones I could give away or sell, because I think both of the decent ones need the heatsinks sorting out when I get around to it
[13:08]<@Calum> but I have a GTX 460 and a HD5850
[13:09]<@Calum> and some lower cards but those are what I keep for testing
[13:09]<Jamer> Ah lol :p
[13:09]<+camerongray> I need to get my old monitors sold :P
[13:09]<@Calum> swap you for a (at the time) £1000+ CPU? ;)
[13:10]<+camerongray> lol - The one you were about to give away? :P
[13:10]<@Calum> this is an entirely different one
[13:10]<@Calum> um
[13:10]<@Calum> maybe
[13:10]<+camerongray> heeh
[13:10]<+camerongray> Tempted to take them into work but don't want to look like a dick
[13:10]<@Calum> lol
[13:10]<+camerongray> "I'm no using yer pish monitors, I've brought my own"
[13:11]<+camerongray> Since these are 1920x1200 and at work I have 1440x900 and 1280x1024
[13:12]<Jamer> http://m.ebay.com/itm/390473495029?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1
[13:13]<@Calum> don't buy an ECS motherboard
[13:13]<Jamer> Fail easily?
[13:13]<@Calum> ECS are a budget manufacturer, what little experience I have with their supposed high end stuff has been bad
[13:14]<@Calum> X58 is an enthusiast platform, ECS as a brand don't really have a position there
[13:16]<@Calum> wow X58 boards are even expensive in the US< I was thinking they might be cheaper
[13:18]<@Calum> you could potentially consider this as it will definitely support that CPU, and it's a workstation board, but won't do any form of overclocking
[13:18]<@Calum> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-X8SAX-LGA1366-Intel-X58-DDR3-1333-2-GbE-ATX-Motherboard-MM3-/331043366499?pt=Motherboards&hash=item4d13b8e663
[13:18]<@Calum> there are always some of the Pegatron boards when I look, they're actually a decent no-frills, basic X58 board, but I don't know if they'll support the CPU as they're pretty much an OEM board, not widely documented
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[13:31]<Jamer> Calum i dont want to overclock Z
[13:32]<@Calum> I would consider that Supermicro board then, should be pretty solid
[13:32]<Jamer> Ok thanks :p
[13:39]<@Calum> http://meraki.cisco.com/freeap - anyone seen this?
[13:43]<+camerongray> Oh wow
[13:44]<@Calum> worth it?
[13:44]<+camerongray> Hmm yeah, but I'm not a valid company :(
[13:44]<@Calum> your company is though, right?
[13:44]<@Calum> Reads to me like you just have to sign up with a company email
[13:44]<+camerongray> Yeah
[13:46]<@Calum> just have to attend an hour long webinar
[13:46]<@Calum> hmm, maybe I can go to a live event instead...I am supposed to take advantage of training opportunities...
[13:46]<@Calum> get paid and get a free AP, win/win
[13:51]<@Calum> and I'd get expenses for travel there & back, plus food
[13:51]<@Calum> had a tasty Mexican last Friday when I had to go down to London for a site setup, which turned out to be a 99% wasted day
[13:59]<+camerongray> lol
[14:00]<@Calum> alright, I'm off for tonight...catch you guys later
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[19:41]<PCdoc> Good morning
[19:42]<PCdoc> !w pune,india
[19:42]<PCdoc> 17.2!
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[19:45]<Jamer> I changed my keyboard again .. I think I like this alot better
[19:45]<PCdoc> !w mumbai,india
[19:46]<PCdoc> People ask me to change my keyboard and use something that will look good in my office
[19:46]<PCdoc> But i still wanna use that dell mechanical white old keyboard
[19:47]<PCdoc> Someone came and said "wow! You wanna sell this keyboard? This one is very convinient for programming / writing codes". I refused, sorry not for sale :D
[19:49]<@BC_Programming> Yeah writing codes... I've seen the kind of "Code" that comes from there. Would have cost us less to write it ourselves
[19:49]<PCdoc> Lol... You mean do they copy paste from other 'open-source'?
[19:50]<PCdoc> I heard in many multi national companies in here they do these kind of things now a days
[19:50]<@BC_Programming> No, they barely understand the language they claim to be experts in and take a month or longer to create trivial applications, which don't even work
[19:51]<PCdoc> There recruitment process is real tough but all they do is copy paste codes
[19:52]<@BC_Programming> worse still is any competent programmers in India are drowned out by the army of those willing to work for like 3 dollars an hour
[19:53]<@BC_Programming> The irony is that the more expensive freelancers would save a client money in the long run because they will actually know what they are doing
[19:54]<PCdoc> 3$ means 180 rupees approx
[19:55]<PCdoc> 4320 for 24hrs
[19:55]<PCdoc> Hmm
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[19:56]<PCdoc> Lol i got dc ... Was just typing
[19:57]<PCdoc> Anyways gotta get ready for work. Cya layers
[19:57]<PCdoc> Laters*
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[19:59]<Jamer> Thats just sad ...
[19:59]<Jamer> Now i have all the function keys on my phone
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[20:51]<+Craig> Hey BC, You here?
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[23:22]<@BC_Programming> I am
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